Comments for James Grenning's Blog

Comment on Crashing Your Way to Great Legacy C Tests by Jon Jagger

Jon Jagger — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:09:14 +0000

Hi James,
Nice. You might be interested in a technique for coping with a tangled web of #include dependencies that I’ve documented here http://jonjagger.blogspot.com/2011/11/include-there-is-third-way.html

Cheers
Jon

Comment on Manual Test is Unsustainable by Line by Line » Technical Excellence: Why you should TDD!

Line by Line » Technical Excellence: Why you should TDD! — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:22:34 +0000

[...] of James Grenning come in. In fact, for a much better discussion of these graphs, you should read his blog post! If you’re still with me, here’s the short version: Every Sprint you add new [...]

Comment on Manual Test is Unsustainable by Peter Swinburne

Peter Swinburne — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:04:03 +0000

Of course I fully endorse these statements, it is an absolute fact. However, most of our projects have up until now relied on getting the systems to market a different way. This then makes the justification of changing the development process harder. Time and budget constraints in the past have put more emphasis on integration testing. If it passes the integration test then we’re good right ? (not all the time as it happens, but a good %).
So this year we will automate our testing, it’s been mandated. I can’t see anything but good that will come out of this !

Comment on Manual Test is Unsustainable by jwgrenning

jwgrenning — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:52:22 +0000

Jaejin, Please say more about your objection. Of course I am generalizing. I also am not saying that manual test is not needed. My purpose with the post is to provide a simple model to that helps to argue for investing in test automation. To not do so, means that defects will sneak in through the untested code gap.

Comment on Manual Test is Unsustainable by jaejin

jaejin — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:19:32 +0000

Please do consider the context of the application you’re talking about. Please do not over generalize the software testing effort.

Comment on Manual Test is Unsustainable by Dominique De Vito

Dominique De Vito — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:57:41 +0000

Well, simply put: if development effort grows like N(t), testing effort (due to regression tests) grows at least like N(t)^2.

I wrote N(t) because N is a function depending on the time ‘t’ argument.

Then, it’s easy to see that manual testing is not sustainable.

Comment on Wishing for a Command Line Interface by Bas Vodde

Bas Vodde — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:32:09 +0000

Wow James. Thanks for this post. I tried this also some time ago, but gave up a lot sooner than you did I think I might actually use your script

Comment on Physics of Test Driven Development by Test Driven Development (TDD) Is Not About Bugs » The Cutting Ledge

Test Driven Development (TDD) Is Not About Bugs » The Cutting Ledge — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:12:13 +0000

[...] really like this article from James Grenning that talks about the time and effort savings in debugging when you write your [...]

Comment on Planning Poker Party (The Companion Games) by Karen Favazza Spencer

Karen Favazza Spencer — Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:00:43 +0000

Super article and images! I’ve been looking for a thorough description of Deal and Slide for some time, feeling I was missing something. I now see it’s just one step in a series that together provides a complete view of the “forrest & the trees.”

Have you ever tried to do some variation of this in a distributed environment?

Comment on Coaching ramblings from China by William

William — Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:00:16 +0000

ha, interesting. I can imagine how you felt with your adventures. I had experience with my friends/colleagues visiting too. I just started using TDD recently( still with a lot of confusions and things I don’t really know how ot do yet. ). I was actually looking at your article on “embedded TDD” while I saw this post. Interesting.